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PostSubject: How social therapy and psychiatry is bullshit.   Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:04 am

Therapy entails the application of conceptual machinery to ensure that actual or potential deviants stay within the institutionalized definitions of reality , or, in other words, to prevent the "inhabitants" of a given universe from "emigrating."

It does this by applying the legitimating apparatus to individual "cases".

Since, as we have seen, every society faces the danger of individual deviance, we may assume that therapy in one form or another is a global social phenomenon. Its specific institutional arrangements, from exorcism to psychoanalysis, from pastoral care to personnel counseling programs, belong of course, under the category of social control.

What interests us here, however, is the conceptual aspect of therapy. Since therapy must concern itself with deviations from the "official" definitions of reality, it must develop a conceptual machinery to account for such deviations and to maintain the realities thus challenged.

This requires a body of knowledge that includes a theory of deviance, a diagnostic apparatus, and a conceptual system for the "cure of souls."

Successful therapy establishes a symmetry between the conceptual machinery and its subjective appropiation in the individual's consciousness; it resocializes the deviant into the objective reality of the symbolic universe of the society.

There is, of course, considerable subjective satisfaction in such a return to "normalcy." The individual may now return to the amorous embrace of his platoon commander in the happy knowledge that he has " found himself," and that he is right once more in the eyes of the gods.


On the more fundamental level, the deviants conduct challenges on the societal reality as such, putting in question it's taken-for-granted cognitive and normative operating procedures.

Indeed the deviant probally stands as a living insult to the gods, who love one another in the heavens as their devotees do on earth.

Under the pressure of this guilt, the individual will come to accept subjectively the conceptualization of his condition with which the therapeutic practioners confront him; he develops "insight" and the diagnosis becomes subjectively real to him.

( The propaganda of subjective normalcy.)


Nihilation denies the reality of whatever phenomena or interpretations of phenomena do not fit in that universe.

The threat to the social definitions of reality is neutralized by asigning an inferior ontological status, and thereby a not-to-be-taken-seriously cognitive status, to all definitions existing outside the symbolic universe.

Another interesting aspect of therapy and psychiatry is it's blind optimism in that it cannot imagine a social or existential scenario where there is no cure or solution to a conflict. In other words nihilism is the anti-thesis of conventional social therapy and psychiatry.
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PostSubject: Re: How social therapy and psychiatry is bullshit.   Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:19 am

So what your saying is, social therapy and psychiatry is bullshit because it works only on a basis of returning people to a conceived group idea of what is 'normal'?
This is not the whole truth if one actually takes the time to study human psychology.
A mental disorder is a behavioural thought pattern that is out of the 'normal' in a social context and that causes considerable stress on the individual.
So the first part of the definition fits in very nicely with your explanation, but it seems that you have ignored the second. Let us take the example of OCD:

OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) is an anxiety disorder in which the individual cannot process an anxiety 'normally'. Those who do not have the condition have an anxiety, process it through to a conclusion and move on. Someone with OCD cannot do this, they have the anxiety, attempt to process it and then become stuck in a cycle preventing them from coming to a conclusion. For example someone with OCD about cleaning, washes their hands, he has watched a program saying that after you wash your hands there are still loads of bacteria on your hands, so he washes them again. then he dries his hands. Realising that he does not know when the towel was last washed, he washes the towel, and his hands again because they touched the towel. He touches the kitchen surface, washes his hands, cleans the kitchen surface then washes the cloth he used to clean the surface, then washes his hands etc.
OCD is a very disturbing and life consuming disorder. A person with OCD feels distressed all the time. Is this because he feels bad that society does not accept him and he is racked with guilt? No don't be absurd. He doesn't care about what society thinks, all he cares about is that he doesn't get killed by germs. Psychiatry can help the OCD sufferer, he is more accepted in society because of it, but that's not why he is glad he had the therapy
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PostSubject: Re: How social therapy and psychiatry is bullshit.   Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:46 pm

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So what your saying is, social therapy and psychiatry is bullshit because it works only on a basis of returning people to a conceived group idea of what is 'normal'?

Yes because the conceived group idea of what is "normal" actually has no basis beyond mere hysterical dogma.


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This is not the whole truth if one actually takes the time to study human psychology.

Enlighten us.

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A mental disorder is a behavioural thought pattern that is out of the 'normal' in a social context and that causes considerable stress on the individual.

Only because to be outside of the collective definative hysteria of created normalcy is heretical and alienates opposing individuals into considerable stress by social pressures or blackmails.

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OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) is an anxiety disorder in which the individual cannot process an anxiety 'normally'. Those who do not have the condition have an anxiety, process it through to a conclusion and move on. Someone with OCD cannot do this, they have the anxiety, attempt to process it and then become stuck in a cycle preventing them from coming to a conclusion. For example someone with OCD about cleaning, washes their hands, he has watched a program saying that after you wash your hands there are still loads of bacteria on your hands, so he washes them again. then he dries his hands. Realising that he does not know when the towel was last washed, he washes the towel, and his hands again because they touched the towel. He touches the kitchen surface, washes his hands, cleans the kitchen surface then washes the cloth he used to clean the surface, then washes his hands etc.
OCD is a very disturbing and life consuming disorder. A person with OCD feels distressed all the time. Is this because he feels bad that society does not accept him and he is racked with guilt? No don't be absurd. He doesn't care about what society thinks, all he cares about is that he doesn't get killed by germs. Psychiatry can help the OCD sufferer, he is more accepted in society because of it, but that's not why he is glad he had the therapy


http://www.antipsychiatry.org/exist.htm
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PostSubject: Re: How social therapy and psychiatry is bullshit.   Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:32 am

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Only because to be outside of the collective definative hysteria of created normalcy is heretical and alienates opposing individuals into considerable stress by social pressures or blackmails.

You obviously have never met someone with OCD

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OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) is an anxiety disorder in which the individual cannot process an anxiety 'normally'. Those who do not have the condition have an anxiety, process it through to a conclusion and move on. Someone with OCD cannot do this, they have the anxiety, attempt to process it and then become stuck in a cycle preventing them from coming to a conclusion. For example someone with OCD about cleaning, washes their hands, he has watched a program saying that after you wash your hands there are still loads of bacteria on your hands, so he washes them again. then he dries his hands. Realising that he does not know when the towel was last washed, he washes the towel, and his hands again because they touched the towel. He touches the kitchen surface, washes his hands, cleans the kitchen surface then washes the cloth he used to clean the surface, then washes his hands etc.
OCD is a very disturbing and life consuming disorder. A person with OCD feels distressed all the time. Is this because he feels bad that society does not accept him and he is racked with guilt? No don't be absurd. He doesn't care about what society thinks, all he cares about is that he doesn't get killed by germs. Psychiatry can help the OCD sufferer, he is more accepted in society because of it, but that's not why he is glad he had the therapy


http://www.antipsychiatry.org/exist.htm
Not good enough, I'm not going to read an entire article to find out what it is you are talking about. Especially when after scan reading it I see no mention of specific disorders themselves. I have given an example of an anxiety disorder that negates what you are saying. Either go through the trouble of answering me directly or dont bother.
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PostSubject: Re: How social therapy and psychiatry is bullshit.   Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:34 am

Rhinoboy if a fourty five year old hunter gatherer tribesman came to New York City where he became hysterical and afraid of automotive vehicles passing by in which he consequently climbed up a light post would such a man be mentally ill?

People passing by might think that he must be mentally ill for his hysterics.
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PostSubject: Re: How social therapy and psychiatry is bullshit.   Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:20 pm

The Fool wrote:
Rhinoboy if a fourty five year old hunter gatherer tribesman came to New York City where he became hysterical and afraid of automotive vehicles passing by in which he consequently climbed up a light post would such a man be mentally ill?

People passing by might think that he must be mentally ill for his hysterics.
But when assessed by a qualified psychiatrist he would be diagnosed with nothing what so ever. Passers by often don't make good psychoanalysts.

Are you going to answer how someone with OCD fits into your argument?
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