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PostSubject: Porn to be banned   Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:22 am

Indonesia passes anti-porn bill

"Islamic parties said the law was needed to protect women and children against exploitation and to curb increasing immorality in Indonesian society.

The law would ban images, gestures or talk deemed to be pornographic.

Artists, women's groups and non-Muslim minorities said they could be victimised under the law and that traditional practices could be banned.

The law has prompted protests across Indonesia, but particularly on the predominantly Hindu island of Bali - a favourite destination for tourists.

Violators face up to 12 years in prison and hefty fines. "


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7700150.stm
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:38 am

Why are you obsessed with sex?
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:41 am

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Why are you obsessed with sex?

I was wondering that myself. For a philosopher especially, it would seem like something one would want to deconstruct and dismiss as passé instinct.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:50 am

Is it only that?

As a human being why are you drawn to this topic?
I've also noticed that it isn't sex as a normal human activity that you are interested in but extreme social manifestations of it.

Incest
Porn
Cuming on faces
Pedophilia

What gives?
Some repressed needs?
A secret obsession?
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:11 pm

Satyr wrote:
Is it only that?

As a human being why are you drawn to this topic?
I've also noticed that it isn't sex as a normal human activity that you are interested in but extreme social manifestations of it.

What gives?
Some repressed needs?
A secret obsession?

This is as best as I can figure, http://dissidentsphilosophy.alldiscussion.net/philosophy-f1/simulacra-and-girl-love-the-little-world-t19-30.htm#574

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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:02 am

"I've also noticed that it isn't sex as a normal human activity that you are interested in but extreme social manifestations of it"

Perhaps he is quite strongwilled you may say??? Or just very curious, inquisitive, touched by a voluptuous muse???

Normal human activity? Even if we can assume there is such a thing, verified of course with a nice bell curve, some field analyses and a logically coherent meta-narrative of some sort or other, I must ask:

Why bother???

"A man with much intellect, much power, or much money cannot possibly amuse himself the way everybody else does." - Marquis De Sade.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:53 am

Baldassare Cossa wrote:
"A man with much intellect, much power, or much money cannot possibly amuse himself the way everybody else does." - Marquis De Sade.
Dammit! How did I miss that?
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:17 am

Dako wrote:
Baldassare Cossa wrote:
"A man with much intellect, much power, or much money cannot possibly amuse himself the way everybody else does." - Marquis De Sade.
Dammit! How did I miss that?

hehehehehehe Wink

Julliette my Friend - is a damn good read, I guess all those joyous and miraculous scenes of Debauch bid you eschew all reason for Passion Wink

Aye to that either way!

I assume you've read all the 'good books'? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:53 pm

Baldassare Cossa wrote:
Julliette

I assume you've read all the 'good books'? Very Happy
Juliette no, Justine yes. I had a hard time seeing what is religious and moral metaphor and what is testimony on sexuality and fantasy.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:38 pm

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Baldassare Cossa wrote:
Julliette

I assume you've read all the 'good books'? Very Happy
Juliette no, Justine yes. I had a hard time seeing what is religious and moral metaphor and what is testimony on sexuality and fantasy.

I am not sure if De Sade was trying to do either of these things. Not in any conventional sense anyhow. Although he wrote beautifully, his philosophy was quite straightforward and often employed a simple dialectic [in a rather loose sense of the word]. Fundamentally, his believe was that there was only Nature - for him 'God' and 'Nature' were synonymous, and Nature was not necessarily benevolent - for example in Julliette he made examples with volcanoes or animals eating each other.

Furthermore - De Sade did not actually 'believe' in the pseudophilosophy he wrote. It was really a rebellion, pretty much against hypocrisy in the day to day sense - during his time people lived lives of 'doublethink' where quite intense debauchery was very common by our standards, yet they were still 'good Christians'.

His testimony on sexuality and fantasy - first was not homogenous [none of De Sades work is truly homogenous, it uses extreme comic and irony and an awful form of 'tragedy' to force people to make 'immoral' decisions - and with this it is always inexorably discordant and disjointed]. He was essentially a precursor to Freud in terms of satisfying impulse, and these impulses in his novels had to satisfy themselves through prudent wit and cunning to satisfy their [always evil] ends. This is antithetical to the actual Freudian and post Freudian notion of super-ego or 'self control' for 'the good'. For De Sade - the only Good was utter fulfilment of pleasure, and being both sadistic and masochistic at once [as Sade was in everyday life], this fulfillment of pleasure was not predisposed to any Realist orientated notion of Power, survival and profit as is common to the 21st century mind.

Simply - his ideal, was merely the orgasm - it may have done awful things to achieve greater heights [and sometimes these awful things were merely his own humour and anger with the Lettre De Cathet and the policeman Morait who frustrated his passionate character].

Remember too, in everyday life Sade was actually a very polite and congenial character, a libertine and a sodomite, but not actually 'evil' or even psychopathic. Therefore we should not seek an Ouevre of De Sade, and certainly not a consistent metaphor or testimony by looking 'deeper' in the text - he was not interested in this [men with De Sades psychological type usually lose interest in 'deeper' ideas before they are 30, being very pragmatic...]

De Sade is useful for all debates on emancipation of course, quite often due to his simplicity and his very deliberate use of straw men, slippery slope and reduction in absurdum and both forms of ad hominem arguments.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:13 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/feb...ject-photograph

Men are more likely to think of women as objects if they have looked at sexy pictures of females beforehand, psychologists said yesterday.

Researchers used brain scans to show that when straight men looked at pictures of women in bikinis, areas of the brain that normally light up in anticipation of using tools, like spanners and screwdrivers, were activated.

Scans of some of the men found that a part of the brain associated with empathy for other peoples' emotions and wishes shut down after looking at the pictures.

Susan Fiske, a psychologist at Princeton University in New Jersey, said the changes in brain activity suggest sexy images can shift the way men perceive women, turning them from people to interact with, to objects to act upon.

The finding confirms a long-suspected effect of sexy images on the way women are perceived, and one which persists in workplaces and the wider world today, Fiske said.

"When there are sexualised images in the workplace, it's hard for people not to think about their female colleagues in those terms. It spills over from the images to the workplace," she said.

Speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Chicago yesterday, Fiske said the findings called into question the impact of sexualised images of women that might be pinned on workplace walls or sent around offices where there was a strong locker-room culture.

"I'm not saying there should be censorship, but people need to be aware of the associations people will have in their minds," Fiske said.

In the study, Fiske's team put straight men into an MRI brain scanner and showed them images of either clothed men and women, or more scantily clad men and women. When they took a memory test afterwards, the men best remembered images of bikini-clad women whose heads had been digitally removed.

The brain scans showed that when men saw the images of the women's bodies, activity increased in part of the brain called the premotor cortex, which is involved in urges to take action. The same area lights up before using power tools to do DIY. "It's as if they immediately thought to act on theses bodies," Fiske said.

In the final part of the study, Fiske asked the men to fill in a questionnaire that was used to assess how sexist they were. The brain scans showed that men who scored highest had very little activity in the prefrontal cortex and other brain regions that are involved with understanding another person's feelings and intentions. "They're reacting to these women as if they're not fully human," Fiske said.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn to be banned   Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:07 pm

Musa wrote:
In the study, Fiske's team put straight men into an MRI brain scanner and showed them images of either clothed men and women, or more scantily clad men and women. When they took a memory test afterwards, the men best remembered images of bikini-clad women whose heads had been digitally removed.

The brain scans showed that when men saw the images of the women's bodies, activity increased in part of the brain called the premotor cortex, which is involved in urges to take action. The same area lights up before using power tools to do DIY. "It's as if they immediately thought to act on theses bodies," Fiske said.
To me, a girls face is the most sexy part about her. And I suppose yes, I do, most of all want to do her face.

What does that mean? Face-o-philia?
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