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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:41 pm

I confess that it'd be strange if someday I found out that my mother and my father were brothers, or father and daughter...

However, that'd happen only because i was grown up hearing that this sort of thing is abominable. If I had learned in my childhood that it's normal for people to marry, love and fuck their own brothers, sons, daughters, etc...
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:21 pm

Drone wrote:
I confess that it'd be strange if someday I found out that my mother and my father were brothers, or father and daughter...

Precisely!
Now what would you do if society
labeled you a disgusting accident?
Is that right?
How many people (and families )
are forced to live with that?
We don't know
and apparently don't care to know either

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However, that'd happen only because i was grown up hearing that this sort of thing is abominable. If I had learned in my childhood that it's normal for people to marry, love and fuck their own brothers, sons, daughters, etc...

IMHO it would then be viewed
as we currently view
divorce
homosexuality
and polygamy

not desirable behavior for sure
but certainly not criminal
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:32 pm

I believe the reasoning behind the criminalization is/was the Christian purging of First Sin during the Dark Ages.

These priests (erroneously) believed they could directly-force and subdue human nature to their whim.

It shows & exposes a lack of rational understanding by religious authorities. They knew no other way.
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:50 am

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IMHO it would then be viewed
as we currently view
divorce
homosexuality
and polygamy

not desirable behavior for sure
but certainly not criminal

Social conventions and traditions have so much relevance in our actual existences that I do believe if we ever lived in a world where marriages among brothers, or sons and mothers, fathers and daughters, etc, were common and both morally and socially acceptable, we would never, NEVER come to the conclusion that such behaviour is 'wrong', or 'immoral', etc...prejudice is essentially a cultural/social thing. It all starts with the ideas which are placed in our mind since we're very young.
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:01 am

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IMHO it would then be viewed
as we currently view
divorce
homosexuality
and polygamy

not desirable behavior for sure
but certainly not criminal

MM here is another example of non criminal activity according to you. The father raped his daughter and his son rapes his, you sick imbecile.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/5460383/man-raped-daughter-25-years-police/
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:35 pm

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MM here is another example of non criminal activity according to you. The father raped his daughter and his son rapes his, you sick imbecile.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/5460383/man-raped-daughter-25-years-police/

Ahh...
The real sonofabitch is finally out of the closet
I should have sensed that there was not a reasonable bone in your body
Three nasty posts in one day - my, my,
what is the point of a personal attack?
Aww gee!
Did I hurt your feelings in some way?Crying or Very sad

Tell me
what is the difference if a girl is raped by her unloving dad
or by unloving you?
Is she less raped?
And how many girls are raped by dads
as compared to the millions raped by un-dads?
or does unrelated quantity not qualify as sick?
and is somehow less egregious
than the example you have triumphantly brought to the table
Oh yes...!
you forgot to trot out poor old Fritz
as the only man alive to imprison and rape women

I am sure an "unsick" imbecile like you
has an imbecilic answer
that can sort out the correct moral behavior
that can solve all these moral dilemmas
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:57 pm

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Ahh...
The real sonofabitch is finally out of the closet
I should have sensed that there was not a reasonable bone in your body
Three nasty posts in one day - my, my,
what is the point of a personal attack?
Aww gee!
Did I hurt your feelings in some way. Crying or Very sad

MM I had attempted to understand your position and took into account the premise that we were talking about consenting adults, but as I had said to you previously the veiled legitimacy of the act regarding adults hides the on the ground application of the thought process. That process is the rape of minors for power and sexual gratification. The fact that you entertain such thoughts does anger me given that you look for the essence that is humanity in your other ramblings, but revert to primal urges in your application. I was wrong calling you an imbecile because sadly you are not and that is of concern to me, that you can look towards enlightenment and succumb to base preditory thoughts. Sick indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:08 pm

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MM I had attempted to understand your position and took into account the premise that we were talking about consenting adults, but as I had said to you previously the veiled legitimacy of the act regarding adults hides the on the ground application of the thought process. That process is the rape of minors for power and sexual gratification.
That takes place outside of the family far more frequently -
by at least a 100 fold
and it is totally heartless
and in fact frequently leads to homicide.

When it does take place inside the family,
the damage to the minor is far less,
since basic family affection remains under-lying.
Homicide is almost non-existent.


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The fact that you entertain such thoughts does anger me given that you look for the essence that is humanity in your other ramblings, but revert to primal urges in your application. I was wrong calling you an imbecile because sadly you are not and that is of concern to me, that you can look towards enlightenment and succumb to base preditory thoughts. Sick indeed.

Your judgment of my thoughts is a gross invasion of human decency.
You have not the slightest idea of what I am thinking of
or my motivation for opening this thread.
If you were truly a decent human being
your first and only judgment, until proven otherwise,
should be that I am thinking charitably.

The fact that you choose to think the worst of me
is testament to your own sick dysfunction, not mine
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:40 pm

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MM I had attempted to understand your position and took into account the premise that we were talking about consenting adults, but as I had said to you previously the veiled legitimacy of the act regarding adults hides the on the ground application of the thought process. That process is the rape of minors for power and sexual gratification.

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That takes place outside of the family far more frequently -
by at least a 100 fold
and it is totally heartless
and in fact frequently leads to homicide.

MM your defense of your position is ordinary. Abduction and the rape of minors by strangers certainly ends in more homicides than family based sexual assault.....more family witnesses, neighbours who notice the absence of the child, more chance of the act being discovered than some stranger with no direct link to the victim.

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When it does take place inside the family,
the damage to the minor is far less,
since basic family affection remains under-lying.
Homicide is almost non-existent.

This statement on it's own gives some legitimacy to the act and underpins your basic thought process. The adage of no smoke without fire leaps to mind when I read your reply's.



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Your judgment of my thoughts is a gross invasion of human decency.
You have not the slightest idea of what I am thinking of
or my motivation for opening this thread.
If you were truly a decent human being
your first and only judgment, until proven otherwise,
should be that I am thinking charitably.

The perpitrator becomes the victim, gross invasion of human decency indeed! What about the child victims. It's ok to rape them as long as you house,feed, and clothe them as well.

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The fact that you choose to think the worst of me
is testament to your own sick dysfunction, not mine

MM keep re assuring yourself that I am a sick individual for questioning your floored logic.
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:18 am

Sonofgloin wrote:

The perpitrator becomes the victim, gross invasion of human decency indeed! What about the child victims. It's ok to rape them as long as you house,feed, and clothe them as well.
You have managed to twist my argument from consenting adults
to pedophilia
and from not asking people to encourage consensual incest
but simply saying that it exists
and inquiring if jailing them is the answer.

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MM, you sick imbecile.

That you can skew your thinking into a personal attack on me
makes my former claim about you all the more relevant
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The fact that you choose to think the worst of me
is testament to your own sick dysfunction, not mine

Sonofgoloin wrote:
MM keep re assuring yourself that I am a sick individual for questioning your floored logic.

If my logic is flawed
so be it
let yours show the error

If you cannot stick to the issue
in a civilized manner
and can only resort to personal attacks
as a way of proving my irrationality
it is not me that needs reassuring about a sick mind.
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PostSubject: Re: It is Time to bring Incest out of the Family Closet   Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:17 am

Incest occurs for a variety of reasons, Power, lack of choice , inheiretence, and lack of education. Should incest be followed by jail ? if it is nonconsentual , yes, if it is adult with a minor yes, if it is two consenting adults, no. Incest is wrong due to inbreeding. Morality and religion are just enforcers of the truth. Inbreeding causes physical and mental issues with the progeny of such an act. Not always but, 95% of the time it does affect the genes in some ill way. That is why it is illegal. To approve of it is denial of the truth and just allows the person to wish tofulfill whatever lust or desire they may have. it would allow lack of self control and allow an unhealthy path to be followed . Morals and religion just enforce truth it keeps the weaker minds inline.
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