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PostSubject: Communism And The Triumphant Victory Of Capitalism. The obliteration of the human utopia.   Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:18 pm








The history of communism is a very interesting and unique spectacle amongst the psychology of our species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

At the root of communism the goal was to create a rational egalitarian society where everyone would be forced by the state to be equal in all social spheres of living including that of entitlement and income.

It was believed that humanity's accumulated knowledge and reason in of itself was enough to succeed by transcendence through an exercised ideal.

Afterall is it not the enligthened and rational perceivement that there exists no conflict that cannot be solved by human diplomacy or reason? Ironically however it appears that there were specific conflicts of human nature that couldn't be solved which subsequently lead to the rise of capitalism over communism.

Why is the history of communism a very interesting and unique spectacle amongst the psychology of our species?

It is a interesting spectacle of history because humanity had the opportunity to live and transcend through an ideal
(communism) of it's own rational undertaking where society could for once and forever more be totally equal, stateless,egalitarian, and without class distinctive prejudice unified under common ownership.

The interesting psychology in the history of communism is that humanity had it's chance and opportunity at total equality through transcendental reason but ultimately failed through human nature itself in living up through such an ideal.

It then becomes all the more apparent historically that supposed enlightenment of human rationality and knowledge in reality is not sufficient enough to solve all existential problems especially that of the social sphere in that there are certain conflicts in life that are fixed in human nature that are impossible to solve or abolish indefinately no matter how much one uses diplomacy or reason in going at them.

It makes all the more sense as to why capitalism became triumphant over communism in the 19th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

Capitalism was the reaffirmation of human nature upon the realization that humanity could not live up to the expectations of the self created ideal of communism.

What part of human nature did capitalism reaffirm over it's victory on communism?

Capitalism re-affirmed humanity's most dominant attribute and diposition towards individual self interests (Selfishness) over the failed undertakings of egalitarian social cooperation within communism.

This is why over a period of history capitalism won out over communism because capitalism indulges humanity's selfish nature and inclinations where communism obstructs it.











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PostSubject: Re: Communism And The Triumphant Victory Of Capitalism. The obliteration of the human utopia.   Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:46 pm

What do I mean that capitalism indulges human nature whereby communism obstructs it?

Think about it. What does society thrive on? What is the foundation of human society?

Human society is marked by conflict, suffering, inequality, mass poverty, exploitation, disenfranchisement along with alienation of whole individuals,misery, selfishness, self interests, extreme competition, megalomania, amorality, ulterior motives masqueraded as altruism, violence, war, entrapment, prejudice, hypocrisy,envy, lust, power, hate, desire of pleasure, mindless self indulgence, and tyranny.

Capitalism merely came in historically as the heroic savior of man's own human nature in that in a capitalist economy humanity can indulge in what it is well versed in. ( Tyranny and oppression.)

If communism came to power in the 19th century the social interactions of inequality, amorality, violent competition, exploitation, oppression, and tyranny all things human nature is well versed in would be obstructed or at the very least least restricted.

If communism came to power in the 19th century one would not be able to say that they are entitled to more then their fellow person.

Capitalism thrived over communism because it represented human nature like no other economical system.

Capitalism represents the selfish ego.

Capitalism represents the megalomaniac the highest and most purest form of human nature.

( The most realistic form.)

The biggest irony of communism is that the countries and nations that adopted it's principles never lived up to them.

Let's take a look at modern China. It calls itself communist yet in all actuality is nothing at all in it's core economical and principle in being anywhere near the envisionment of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, or even Lenin.

So not only did capitalism become triumphant and victorious over communism but the countries that became communist couldn't even live up to communism's core principles as they look more like dictatorships than anything.

( Of course all centralized governments are dictatorships in reality. Which includes modern democracies.)

( A debate for another time.)

It appears that human nature with all it's centering on self interests, tyranny over others, and violent competition eventually won out amongst even so called communist nations.

Now let's get to the biggest irony in our observation of capitalism and communism in it's interaction with the psychology of human nature.

If you read the title of this thread you will see the line that reads: The obliteration of the human utopia.

In order to discuss the obliteration of utopianism we must first ask, what was communism? Communism was the highest envisionment of a cooperative egalitarian society that was both stateless and classless revolving around common ownership.

So what happened when capitalism triumphed over communism?

It destroyed all and any hope of humanity ever changing it's permanent human nature for the future.

It destroyed all and any hope of humanity ever changing it's social existence for the future.

It show humanity's inability to change socially through transcedental reason for the future.

Historically we can say that when capitalism triumphed victoriously selfishness, tyranny, violent competition, oppression, and inequality won over utopianism.

When capitalism became victorious historically the death or definate end of utopianism and social directional progress became reality.
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PostSubject: Neither communism, nor capitalism.   Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:58 am

The new situation of the world requires a new philosophy:

http://new.eco.pl/games.htm

Presented limits of applicability of both market and administrative solutions.
Capitalistic models may be optimal in some areas, socialistic models in others.
Beyond the appropriate areas, forcing any ideology should be treated as a sign
of ignorance or intellectual laziness.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism And The Triumphant Victory Of Capitalism. The obliteration of the human utopia.   Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:34 am

Polis wrote:
Capitalistic models may be optimal in some areas, socialistic models in others.
Only two choices? Coke or Pepsi. Democrat or Republican.

They've tricked you. There are a lot more -- and a lot less options than this.
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PostSubject: Right   Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:19 am

You are right. The choice is beyond primitive elections opposotions.
We need more open alternatives. To read some, please click:
http://new.eco.pl/nopowers.htm
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