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PostSubject: More men are atheists than women   Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:07 am

Statistically more men are atheists than women.

How about that? I wonder why that is.

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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:00 pm

More men on this site will post on the statistical differences of men and women. I wonder why that is.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:09 pm

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More men on this site will post on the statistical differences of men and women. I wonder why that is.
How would you qualify it any other way, yourself, dear girl?
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:11 pm

Might I add the gap is not that great, and the context of the questioning is subtle. While more women believe in spontaneous creation, more men believe in a creator that 'guided' evolution. So you see the statistics are edgy.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:13 pm

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SilentSoliloquy wrote:
More men on this site will post on the statistical differences of men and women. I wonder why that is.
How would you qualify it any other way, yourself, dear girl?
Taking a secondary analysis of the statistics and their validity might help.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:54 pm

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More men on this site will post on the statistical differences of men and women. I wonder why that is.
I, personally, do not require statistics to tell me what I see for my self.

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I hope the occupants don't scratch the fresh paint before the year is out.

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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:11 pm

It's nice to be a non-atheist, I think... It allows for a feeling of community when it may all be just a hallucination...
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:09 am

misterhamtastic wrote:
It's nice to be a non-atheist, I think... It allows for a feeling of community when it may all be just a hallucination...
Living numb is nice.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:11 am

living numb is tolerable, at least...
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:38 am

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More men on this site will post on the statistical differences of men and women. I wonder why that is.

Because were biased..... Razz

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Might I add the gap is not that great, and the context of the questioning is subtle. While more women believe in spontaneous creation, more men believe in a creator that 'guided' evolution. So you see the statistics are edgy.

I'll admit that discussing any statistics is edgy in that they are imperfect and not without their flaws however nonetheless we can get somewhat of a feeling of general trends within populations with them where in this context it just so happens that men are more proned towards atheism in contrast to women who are more proned to faith like ideologies.

That doesn't mean that all women are religious just the majority of them.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:02 pm

Aren't atheists religiously atheist?
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:42 am

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Aren't atheists religiously atheist?

Not that I'm aware of. What are you implying by such a statement?
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:46 am

He is trying to equate the denial of a belief as a belief so as to make them both equally plausible.

It's a common religious tactic.

it's like claiming that a disbelief in Leprechauns is a belief in the non-existence of Leprechauns.
It's the argument form the absolute.
Absolute belief in an existence versus absolute belief in a non-existence.

In fact a dismissal of a proposition is merely the dismissal of the arguments supporting it, while retaining the possibility.
It is a dismissal in degree.

I cannot prove a negative, because consciousness is a negation, and so I must make a proposition more plausible by using evidence or reasoning that has to stand up to testing and analysis and deliberation over time.

Therefore the onus is on the one proposing a "truth", while the ones that deny it as plausible must offer arguments in opposition or as a negation to the other's positivity.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:43 am

Actually, I was just making a play on words...

I have never understood how a denial of the existence of fairy godparents is not a belief in their non-existence. I'm sure we don't want to play out this particular tired conversation here, though.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:29 pm

misterhamtastic wrote:
Aren't atheists religiously atheist?
They can be. They could also just be thinking of other stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:31 pm

The Fool wrote:
SilentSoliloquy wrote:
More men on this site will post on the statistical differences of men and women. I wonder why that is.

Because were biased..... Razz

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Might I add the gap is not that great, and the context of the questioning is subtle. While more women believe in spontaneous creation, more men believe in a creator that 'guided' evolution. So you see the statistics are edgy.

I'll admit that discussing any statistics is edgy in that they are imperfect and not without their flaws however nonetheless we can get somewhat of a feeling of general trends within populations with them where in this context it just so happens that men are more proned towards atheism in contrast to women who are more proned to faith like ideologies.

That doesn't mean that all women are religious just the majority of them.
Know what's interesting, though? Frequenting these circles, I know a hand full of female atheists. Atheism has also become a trend. It is now the only intelligent 'choice' to make. If you want to look cool, you have to read The God Delusion and wear chuck taylors and volunteer...at an international trade thing.

Know what else is interesting? This topic. It's also pretty cool.
http://forums.philosophyforums.com/threads/more-men-are-atheists-than-women-32359.html
http://atheisthussy.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-arent-more-women-atheists.html
http://distributedrepublic.net/archives/2008/11/11/hey-where-atheist-women-at
http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/7d09k/atheist_men_outnumber_atheist_women_almost_21/
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:32 pm

I got kicked off of (and banned from) Dawkin's Atheist forum pretty quickly.

Apparently, they don't enjoy being called Christian-Secular-Humanists, nor do they enjoy debating incest when they actively promote it.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:45 pm

SilentSoliloquy wrote:
Know what's interesting, though? Frequenting these circles, I know a hand full of female atheists. Atheism has also become a trend. It is now the only intelligent 'choice' to make. If you want to look cool, you have to read The God Delusion and wear chuck taylors and volunteer...at an international trade thing.
It was the psyche of the white male which destroyed God.

Just like everything we do, it is eventually dumbed down into a mindless fashion, so that women, cripples and blacks can feel like they're part of it, and not entirely irrelevant.

Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:02 pm

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Just like everything we do, it is eventually dumbed down into a mindless fashion, so that women, cripples and blacks can feel like they're part of it, and not entirely irrelevant.

Crying or Very sad
Thank you for stating this Truth deepthought.

Furthermore, women, cripples, and blacks feel like they want to be a part of Misery just because it's fashionable. It's disgusting.


Ohhhhhh, poor me, the world is so mean & cruel to me!!!..........

Some men actually don't give a shit, believe it or not.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:25 pm

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I got kicked off of (and banned from) Dawkin's Atheist forum pretty quickly.

Apparently, they don't enjoy being called Christian-Secular-Humanists, nor do they enjoy debating incest when they actively promote it.
could you link to threads there where you got banned. that's interesting. And how do they actively promote incest?
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:47 pm

The discussion is: here

I am under the username: realunoriginal.

(And yes I am aware that I antagonized the moderator, because he attacked me first. I was aiming for them to confront me on the issue of incest.)

(Keep in mind this was about 4 months ago.)
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:36 am

I didn't read every word, but I read the gist.

It was poor moderation. Their insults were more by implication and yours were more blunt. He or she should have called both sides on their shit or neither.

What I have encountered in arguments with some atheists is that they do not feel the need to make sense, fight fair, avoid fallacies when confronting a theist or what they think is a theists. These atheists will never admit this.

I wouldn't say you were banned for what calling them secularits.....or for your opinion, but for your bluntness.

My take anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:39 am

Well, my point was two-fold in that I saw Atheists as Christian-Secular-Humanists and that they passively advocated Incest.

It was very disgusting and I feel revolted even linking that thread to you...
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:08 pm

There is a real possibility that the reason women are more spiritual is due to the fact men are not.

Or maybe because we live with guys and need some hope Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: More men are atheists than women   Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:32 pm

There has been a trend towards verbal linear domination. Guys are more likely to fall into that pattern. Monotheism has a transcendant God who distusts emotions and the body. Atheism, as a subset of rationalism, is a natural outgrowth of such an ephemeral, dispassionate being, real or merely posited.

We took a wrong turning. Or better put, a turning that suited some people's needs and skills became the rule for everyone and that is a problem.
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